The Robert L. Capp collection at the Hoover Institution Archives contains ten never-before-published photographs illustrating the immediate aftermath of the Hiroshima bombing. These photographs, taken by an unknown Japanese photographer, were found in 1945 among rolls of undeveloped film in a cave outside Hiroshima by U.S. serviceman Robert L. Capp, who was attached to the occupation forces. Unlike most photos of the Hiroshima bombing, these dramatically convey the human as well as material destruction unleashed by the atomic bomb. Mr. Capp donated them to the Hoover Archives in 1998 with the provision that they not be reproduced until 2008. Three of these photographs are reproduced in Atomic Tragedy with the permission of the Capp family. The entire set is available below. Please contact Sean L. Malloy (smalloy@ucmerced.edu) if you have any information that might help identify the original photographer.
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These images won't evince the slightest bit of emotionalism out of me.
But I get your point: why is it the world mourns for the victims of Hiroshima, but has forgotten the sex slaves of Korea, the exterminations of Nanking, the death marches of the Philippines, and the other Japanese atrocities which necessitated such a response.
You'd think from listening to so many, that the Japanese would be happier to see two million more of their wives and children slaughtered in a prolonged, conventional war, which their deified leader would have condemned them to.
Or maybe we were supposed to let the Japanese slaughter millions of Philippinos, Koreans, Manchurians, Hawaiians, Californians, etc.
"North Tinian tower,this is Dimples 8-2 requesting taxi clearance."
Col Paul Tibbets
6 August,1945
Without any question from anyone, all posters seem the need to defend the morality of the action. So it seems some internal struggle is going on.
Personally I guess nuking a Japanese mountain as a warning that the US was serious would have done the trick.
The blame for the death of the worlds first nuclear encounters rests firmly on the heads and souls of the Japanese leaders who initiated that war.
Japs got what they asked for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” -William Tecumseh Sherman
We have no grudges against them now, but we do remember the atrocities the Japanese did, and we do appreciate what the US did. It must have been a difficult action for the US to take then, but as unpleasant as the pictures are, the atomic bomb saved uncountable innocent lives if the war dragged on.
What we should do is remember and learn and not let it happen again, ie Iran.
Glad you enjoyed the pictures. Let me know when your tribe discovers fire...and spelling.
"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.
"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman.
Would that be OK then?
With such a violent mentality and attitude, it's no wonder why your kids get shot in schools
Killing is justifiable as long as you feel good about it...right!
I'm can only be happy that most people on this world are not americans
"I'm can only be happy that most people on this world are not americans"
We would be happy if you weren't here with your stupid KUMBYAH BS victim crap. It must really suck to be you, moron
a despicable war crime, comparable to anything the nazis did. "Facts not in evidence
No one enjoys war or killing (except for the truly sick) but to do nothing you get Rowanda where was the world population while that was going on?
Obviously you don't know history, so do not assault the 18th poster. (S)he quotes explicitly Adm. Nimitz saying the Japanese already wanted peace. The claim that it would have taken millions of soldiers to take Japan is totally false. The Chicago Tribune even reported before war's end that the Japanese wanted to surrender. The problem is you can't surrender when the other guy's still shooting. The only condition was the emperor stayed on the throne, which in fact he did.
Those bombings were about scaring Stalin, plain and simple. We wanted to prove to him we were stronger than the USSR and this provided an opportunity.
Plus, wasn't it a nice coincidence that the first bomb dropped the day before the Soviet Union was obligated to join the US in fighting Japan?
Reality isn't always what you were made to believe at the time. If so, the Iraq war would still be about WMD, I mean Oil, I mean al Qaeda, I mean liberating the Iraqis...
Last point, I wish I could say something malicious and didn't have the guts to at least ascribe a name to it. That's shameful behavior. Too bad you won't come back to this page to read this.
Obviously you don't know history, so do not assault the 18th poster. (S)he quotes explicitly Adm. Nimitz saying the Japanese already wanted peace. The claim that it would have taken millions of soldiers to take Japan is totally false. The Chicago Tribune even reported before war's end that the Japanese wanted to surrender. The problem is you can't surrender when the other guy's still shooting. The only condition was the emperor stayed on the throne, which in fact he did.
Those bombings were about scaring Stalin, plain and simple. We wanted to prove to him we were stronger than the USSR and this provided an opportunity.
Plus, wasn't it a nice coincidence that the first bomb dropped the day before the Soviet Union was obligated to join the US in fighting Japan?
Reality isn't always what you were made to believe at the time. If so, the Iraq war would still be about WMD, I mean Oil, I mean al Qaeda, I mean liberating the Iraqis...
Last point, I wish I could say something malicious and didn't have the guts to at least ascribe a name to it. That's shameful behavior. Too bad you won't come back to this page to read this.
You would like to think so but the fact is that even after one nuclear bombing of a city they still wouldn't give up.
It had to be done. The world, including America, morned the loss of life.
They did not start it, the US outright provoked the war. Im sad to see you think that 100,000 civilian deaths is justified.
We drop an a-bomb and people who were not even alive at the time are proud of it...
Way to go America.
I can't wait til a terrorist detonates a backpack nuke in one of your major cities you hateful bastards.reap the fucking whirlwind.
noone deserves things like that.
Wow there sure is a lot of intelligence on this board *sarcasm*
We drop an a-bomb and people who were not even alive at the time are proud of it...
Way to go America.
So leave
my dad was scheduled for the invasion of japan. i am happy that he did not have to go. he survived the war. do i feel bad about the pics of the dead people? yes.
but i am happier that we won, and they lost.
back to topic:
This was a truly a sad event and we can only hope our leaders are smart enough to never repeat it again.
GTAIV BABY
Poster for 38, I can't wait to see what list you end up on. Hope you live overseas, just forwarded your post to the FBI tip page. I am sure if you are insane enough to actually post something this hateful and inarticulate that you have other skeletons beyond words and towards action. You posted anonymous, you may find that not quite good enough. Are you willing to bring that backpack in? Good luck trying now, and watch your back if you do come to the US.
These pictures should be a way of telling us that war should never be the answer even if it's to "get the back". Especially nuclear warfare. The consequences of which (i.e. radiation) many Japanese have to suffer from even today.
Another thing that astounds and disappoints me is how little so many of you know about American history or WWII in general.
Please THINK before you speak such strong statements.
"well, he should've armed himself shouldn't he"
born into love we grow up to be walking contradicitons
compared to what the usa do all over the world the japanese were angels compared to american morons
Don't paint the U.S. as some big savior. We're not. I'm glad I live in the U.S. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. But our past is stained with more blood than I care to think about.
As far as China is concerned, the west did really awful things there. We were involved in one of the largest ever human trafficking events in history (involving packaging women into boxes to be shipped to the U.S. as sex slaves). We got an entire continent addicted to opium so we could take as much money as possible and create chaos. Don't forget about the fact that we abducted people in Africa and forced them into slave labor here. We forced millions off their ancestral lands and massacred them if they resisted (look up Chief Joseph). Rape, pillage and murder taint our history and makings. What we've done is despicable. The atomic bomb is just one of thousands of examples of our war crimes.
I understand why some of you are saying that the Japanese "got what they deserved" but that is a silly statement as the Japanese civilians did not start the war. Their government did. Many people in the U.S. do not like the war in Iraq however if Iraqis were to bomb U.S. civilians every American would be outraged. At the same time I do not want to sound like a war hating hippie because I am not. War is a part of human life. Almost every single technology that we rely on to get around town or to talk to our friends or to fly across the U.S. are all created through war. The internet itself was created in order to have faster data communication for the U.S. government to assist in war efforts. So if you hate war as much as you say I suggest you get off your computer (or at least the internet) immediately because ITS A PRODUCT OF WAR! Someone suggested the U.S. provoked the war and if you truly believe that I am very confused because they didn't. The Japanese were on Hitlers side so however the U.S. provoked being bombed by a nation who supports a sick dictator who murders innocents like they are garbage, I'm really interested to know how exactly it was the U.S's fault. None of us truly know whether or not nuking Japan was necessary, and those who think quoting people from that era makes them correct you are incredibly foolish. I could find a million quotes supporting the bombings and a million that don't support them, opinions are like assholes everyone has them. The only thing we should take out of this is that Nuclear war is terrible. It does horrible things to innocent cities and people. Lets all work together to prevent another such devastation of a country. We are all humans, we should not live to kill each other however when evil arises ( Germany Italy and Japan ) I see no shame or harm in bringing it down.
Finally I leave you with these thoughts.
=Those who crave war are cruel.
-Those who think war must be eliminated are naive.
-Those who see war for is cruelty but know that it is an inevitability while evil exists see humanity in its reality, there will always be evil without it good has no meaning.
Then you call muslims terrorists and fundamentalists. Good joke.
stand and deliver
i can't understand how you can't feel sympathy
Why did Japan send bombers all the way across the Pacific Ocean to bomb the United States? It was not easy to fly across the Pacific Famed aviator Amelia Earhart was never heard from again after attempting a non-stop flight through the Pacific just a few years before WWII.
So why did the Japanese send aircraft carriers across the ocean to bomb Pearl Harbour? Were they planning to invade a country of hundreds of millions of people that was on the other side of the planet? Were they just having some fun? "Ooh, I know, I know, let's bomb the Americans! They'll never expect it!" Hmm? Why?
Japan and America were fighting for control over the countries of the Pacific Rim during the 1930s. The American possession of the colony of the Philippines allowed them to interfere with the Asian expansionist agenda of the Japanese. The Americans were supplying Chinese rebels in Manchuria extending the Japanese fight in China. The US did this to undermine and weaken the Japanese. The Americans of 1940s were complete racists (putting Japanese-American citizens in POW camps) and even thirty years later American soldiers would be talking about "gooks". So don't get the idea that America was worried about the Asians who suffered Japanese brutalities.
The final straw was when America stopped supplying oil to the Japanese in 1941. Japan had no native oil fields and they had to import every drop of oil used in the country. Negotiations failed and war became necessary. Before you condemn it ask what US would do if Saudi Arabia just stopped selling oil to them tomorrow. The American economy would crash overnight and America would have to invade Saudi Arabia to forcibly take oil from them. The Japanese faced the same future and that's why they bombed Pearl Harbour.
My point is this: Pearl Harbour was the event that turned a decade long cold war between Japan and America into a hot war. Japan was simply quicker at making a pre-emptive strike. Before you condemn pre-emptive strikes, remember America and Iraq (and America and hundreds of other countries this century). Pearl Harbour had a history behind it. The Japanese did not attack without reason, contrary to what many Americans think.
Secondly, I wish to ask a question: Why is it assumed that America had to invade Japan in 1945? I noted before that Japan had no oil and was not mineral rich country. America had blockaded Japan completely and was carpet bombing (200,000+ dead from conventional bombing) the country. The Japanese economy was in absolute ruins. Metals and oils and other materials needed for war fighting were very scarce. I've read somewhere that the Japanese could not put up a single fighter to interdict the American bomber containing the nuclear bombs.
Of course, the Japanese would have fiercely resisted any land invasion, but why invade a country that could not really fight back? Why not blockade the country until the Japanese came to their senses or do it indefinitely? America has been technically at war with North Korea for over fifty years. Americans still maintain thousands of soldiers on the North Korean border today. Why couldn't the US Navy do the same to the Japanese islands? What would the Japanese do? Float over in rafts and scream at American destroyers?
Why did the choice have to be between a massive land invasion and the greatest act of (nuclear) terrorism that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?
Do you think the men dictating the attacks, American and Japanese, cared about Children dying? Mothers, Fathers, whole families dying? Or did they only care about American children dying? Or Japanese children dying? Does it matter where they were, they were just children who were murdered.
The victims of these attacks on America and Japan did not instigate them. So no, they did not deserve to be murdered no.1.
And what have you done in your life, sit back and complain ?.
"Nanking was China's problem" oh that is the perfect answer for a coward. And Rowanda was their problem, and the Kurds was Saddam's problem. Keep your head firmly buried up you ass.
You American bastards! I celebrated long and hard when September 11 struck! Even opened a bottle of champagne, death to America!"
I guess that says enough of what you are. You are the type of looser that make my life worth living. I would like nothing more than to be the one that pisses on your grave you coward E.S.A.D
Actually, the stupid "emperor" shouldn't have attacked Americans.
Look what he did to his subjects
Yes, because we're all somehow on your soil if we think you're shitheads. Stop playing the victim card.
It's amazing how few people can actually look at an event like this without feeling a compulsory need to ascribe a right or wrong stance to it. So, I'm going to feed the fear eaters...people who agree that the nuclear bombing of Japan was correct, can you concurrently agree that the destruction of September 11th was -necessary- to terrorists trying to launch an attack on a superior country and defended target?
I love how we can congruently say we "did what we had to do" when we commit atrocities, and "no one should be subject to such inhumanities" when we get caught off guard. While America is not alone in this thinking, they do seem to prove they lack the intelligence to find any viable solution to the game that comes back to play with them.
On the other hand most of the posts declaring the bombing unjustifiable are hateful and full of half truths.
The fact is the American people wanted nothing to do with the war. It took Pearl Harbor to get Americans to support the war, even then it was not 100%. The U.S. provoked the war? What kind of history are you reading? Not even the Japanese make that claim. They planned the attack for months/years, it was designed to eliminate the ability of the U.S to use the 7th fleet to stop the advance of the Japanese through South East Asia and the Far East.
On the diplomatic front the Japanese consistently revised their position so as to make it impossible for the U.S. to accept their position.
The Japanese were suing for peace? Yes, but again there is more to the story. The U.S. demanded unconditional surrender. Although an intransigent position, it is a wise requirement for any victor. To say the only request of the Japanese government was to retain their emperor is just not true. At no time did the Japanese indicate they would accept occupation, a requirement to verify compliance to the surrender terms.
Did a few generals and admirals advise against the use of the bomb? Of course! And many more advised the use as well. Truman had many consultants, some for, some against the use of the bomb. In the end it was decided the use of the bomb would convince the Japanese to accept the unconditional surrender terms, convince the Japanese people that the war could not be won, and yes, it was also used to tell Russia they needed to watch how they acted in the post war world.
So, what do we learn from history? Apparently nothing. We can't even have a civilized discussion of the facts without threatening and chest pounding. If you don't believe humans are fundamentally flawed then may I suggest you re-read the comments here.
Lastly, all of you non-Americans out there, how much did your country contribute to the tsunami relief? How much of your GDP goes to helping other countries? How much does your country contribute to AIDs relief in Africa? Need I go on? Oh, and how many countries out there spend a large part of their military budget researching ways to REDUCE civilian casualties?
Hate America, that is easy.
http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?S=8265067
Balloon bombs, sent aloft by Japanese during WWII, reached West Coast, and one proved deadly
With hundreds never recovered, still a rare chance of risky encounter
By Christian Boris, KTVZ.COM
In 1944 and 1945, the Japanese military launched bomb-carrying balloons to strike the American homeland. Many balloons landed in Oregon, including one that killed six people in Klamath County.
On May 5, 1945, a group of Sunday school students encountered a balloon bomb snagged in a tree near Bly in Klamath County. Thirteen-year-old Joan Patzke attempted to pull the balloon from the tree when the attached bomb exploded, killing five children and a woman, Elsie Mitchell.
The Mitchell Monument near Bly remembers the victims at the site of the explosion. The plaque on the monument states that the victims were the only American deaths in the continetal U.S. attributed to enemy action during World War II.
The balloon bombs were launched with the hopes of igniting large forest fires across Western North America and creating general panic among the population. The hydrogen-filled balloons ascended into the prevailing jet stream flow which would carry the balloons across the Pacific in about three days.
By early 1945, balloons began to appear over the skies of the West Coast. Several of the bombs detonated as planned, while others landed without incident.
Landings occurred from Alaska to Mexico and as far east as Michigan.
Ok shithead, you will forever be ignorant, you are destined to the "victim" and it still sucks to be you. You really are living proof that inbreeding is a horrific crime, and I hope that you are sterile because the thought of you breeding is troublesome to say the least.
Let's work alltogether for the preservation of nations which keep to their borders, to human rights above nature rights, and let's fight the belief in false freedom without limits, which the globalists use to establish world dictatorship in order to controll and exploit the peoples with artifical, stirred conflicts, wars, nukes, bioweapons, roboweapons, disinformation, food poisoning, compulsory vaccination and fear.
It is always a small group of superrich ones who finance totalitarian regimes which promote wars out of which these superriches make war profits.
So let's not generalize "the" Americans and "the Japanese" and "Germans" etc.!
Greetings from Christoph.Hans.Messner@gmx.de
you poor sad people, why would you even spend the time to make a mockery truly ignorant.
Looking at these photos ought to be an excercise in choosing a better way of dealing with countries. This shouldn't be about moral justification about a war's atrocities that has already passed by. Look at the future and don't let this happen again. Start at the beginning with better detente, talking to our enemeies, keeping them engagted and avoiding another cowboy mentality in the WH.
Now Japan no longer seeks to violently impose its will on the world.
I can only hope that 9-11 will as inevitably lead to Mecca and Medina.
And that islam learns the same ultimate lesson.
It's more like 100,000 years. Tribal warfare is woven into human DNA and was the evolutionary pressure that drove the development of our advanced intelligence and walking upright to carry weapons. We can't turn it off. Most war is inspired by envy, such as Hitler's resentment and envy of Jewish bankers and his neighbor's land. Think about that the next time you resent and envy America. You're well on the way to starting the next war.
63 People such as yourself make me question my faith in humanity. Just because a person is a resident of the USA does not make them evil, the same can be said for a person from your country of origin. For me to make blanket statements of hate towards all people of Iran for instance is just wrong. Yeah the government may be corrupt but inside most people there is the desire to be happy and free. You on the other hand smell of hate and desire to see those who do not see things the same as you just go away. Look deep into your soul, and decide if it is morally just, for me to inflict pain and hate onto you, your family or your children just for being from a country other than mine.
The unfortunate side of war is that innocent civilians do die. As for the pictures above I feel saddened for those who did not have a choice and had to die as a side effect of that war. I was not alive when these pictures were taken and can not form an opinion as to if it was right or wrong, it happend and now its part of history. Maybe humanity can learn from past wars and conflicts in order to find a better way to solve future conflicts. As long as people and governments make the determination that innocent people should die for no other reason than the advancement of their cause there will be consequences and war just happens to be one of them.
You're insane. I'm insane.
Only when we finally realize that THIS IS ALL WE'LL EVER GET, nothing will change.
I'm serious. This is it. Yeah. All this. Everything. There won't be anything else in this reality.
And when it's gone, we'll all wish we had done things different.
My father fought in WWII, and was awarded a Silver Star, yet he didn't celebrate when we dropped the bomb. He was saddened by the destruction he knew it would cause just as he was disgusted by all the death he witnessed in the Nazi Death Camps. Why would anyone be happy about the demise of thousands of civilians? Where is the empathy?
Delighting in someone else's misery is wrong. Wishing death on a people or culture just because they live in a certain country is wrong. Until we all learn to get along, there will always be war, and I'm sorry, but that just makes me sad.
As George Santayana said, “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Everyone's comments turned away from the photos to an arguement of ethnicity and race. We are all connected in one way or another. America was established by immigrants and pride has not changed anything for the indigenous people of North America.
While many comments are intense, you can't fight bigotry with bigotry. Pride should come with accomplishemnt, something you did. I didn't choose to be born a Native American, German and Irish mix. I'm just proud to be me because of my personal growth as a person.
How do you explain these pictures to a child?
While conflict is natural, hate isn't. It is a social action that is taught and learned.
The American fleet were protecting the shipments to Britain even after Japan warned them not too.
Besides the fact that Roosevelt knew of the attack leading up to Pearl Harbor but did nothing about it so he could bring American into the war on the side of Britain.
War is a man-made abomination. It is not "inevitable."
War is fed by the same insecure and childish arrogance seen on post 1.
For any of you that have a family member who has served as a soldier, it is my sincerest hope that you learn from the intense emotional and physical wounds they have had to sustain.
The incendiary political conspiracy theorizing, finger pointing, and racism on this board is not appropriate.
-a Japanese-American citizen
The general sentiment among americans seem to be that it's A-OK that everyone dies as long as they aren't americans. This kind of attitude is exactly what make americans dangerous to the rest of the world. And you guys still wonder why many people from other parts of the world hate you so much...
But its pretty easy to understand why you americans love wars so much and enjoy making it in many places around the world.The weapon industry is run by american enterprises, so is the re-construction projects. Besides that, you get to control energy resource and other natural resources that obviously don't belong to you. Who makes the big bucks here??? And yet, you don't welcome emmigrants whose houses have been destroyed by you or those whose natural resources have been stolen from...
It's just pure act of selffishness, and yet you consider yourself a Christian nation.
Human beings are human beings regardless of what nations they belong to, I can only wish the you guys get a chance to travel outside of you own country. Perhaps, you will become less arrogant and able to see the world from a larger perspective.
Peace out
Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor was in retaliation to a steel embargo we had imposed them. Why did we impose the steel embargo? Because Japan was threatening to become the dominant economic power in the east – A position that the US intended for itself.
Further more, Japan had taken control of the Philippines away from the US, and at the time, the Philippines were one of the few sources for rubber, which was critical to our industry and military.
To cast the US in proper perspective regarding the Philippines, be aware that we murdered hundreds of thousand of Philippinos after the Spanish American war because the Philippinos wanted true independence and freedom. We responded to their desire for freedom by occupying them.
Both the US and Japan were acting on behalf of their desire for economic dominance. What’s really sad is that no one talks about how Japan tried to surrender before we nuked them. We like to believe that we had to drop the bomb to save lives and shorten the war. Japan had already offered unconditional surrender before we dropped the bombs but we weren’t interested. Why? Because we felt that it was imperative to show Russia that we had no qualms about using nuclear weapons.
In short, we nuked two cities that had no significant strategic value, full of civilians, in order to settle an economic/trade dispute.
That's all. It's just logical thinking.
Regards.
Unlike Iraq, America has weapons of mass destruction and is willing to use them.
ask the kurds about the peace loving Iraqi. moron
There is just so many things wrong in your post, it is hard to know where to start. It is so easy to talk crap and postulate on the evils of America, So sparky where have you been, what have you done with your life.
And how do you know that Americans love war, you are as absurd as your statement? As an American and 1st generation American I have been around the world working and living and continue to do so. Generally I treat every one with respect and then hear people like you then I realize that it is those who beat their chest on the evils of America who do not know what they are talking about and rationalize their lack of vision and would bend over for any 2bit socialist clown that tickles your ears you think that they are the best thing, so the next time your country needs help please have your leaders go to someone else, to save your worthless ass.
81: I quote: "Lastly, all of you non-Americans out there, how much did your country contribute to the tsunami relief? How much of your GDP goes to helping other countries? How much does your country contribute to AIDs relief in Africa? Need I go on? Oh, and how many countries out there spend a large part of their military budget researching ways to REDUCE civilian casualties?"
And who said America gives anything to anyone? Here is an excerpt that should shine some light on your claims:
"[Americans] are regularly told by politicians and the media, that America is the world's most generous nation. This is one of the most conventional pieces of 'knowledgeable ignorance'. According to the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the US gave between $6 and $15 billion in foreign aid in the period between 1995 and 1999. In absolute terms, Japan gives more than the US, between $9 and $15 billion in the same period. But the absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations. As former President Jimmy Carter commented: 'We are the stingiest nation of all'. Denmark is top of the table, giving 1.01% of GDP, while the US manages just 0.1%. The United Nations has long established the target of 0.7% GDP for development assistance, although only four countries actually achieve this: Denmark, 1.01% Norway, 0.91% the Netherlands, 0.79% Sweden, 0.7%. Apart from being the least generous nation, the US is highly selective in who receives its aid. Over 50% of its aid budget is spent on middle-income countries in the Middle East, with Israel being the recipient of the largest single share"
Here are two other things you need to know: 80% of American aid goes to American companies in the countries to which the aid is donated. 90% of US aid is 'tied', meaning that the receipients must spend the money buying products and services from American corporations and government.
Source: http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/foreign_aid.html
So don't come here and try to justify nuclear terrorism with false claims of assistance to other countries. Even if it were true, it doesn't give you the right to kill civilians by the millions.
Why do Americans think they are not good anymore?
We ARE good people. Get over it.
the loss of innocent life is the greatest loss of all. so fuck everyone who says they deserved it. its like saying a little girl in NYC deserves to die because her father snorted coke before he
came to pick her up at daycare. they didn't ask to die. will you?
word up to the 120th post and all the other post which said the same.
After invading Iraq, would it be wise to drop atom bombs over some US cities? Based on your logic, yes.
i wish, it should be new a holocaust for jews and usa-americans (very cruel, parasit and fucked people) i hope tomorrow morning
P.s.: jew people lead america (the president is just a puppet)
Moreover,if the Japs deserved this,then the Jews deserved the concentration camps,those immoral bastards.
Hail to Central Europe and Japan!
you "patriotic" americans, with your 300 years long history, should take back a bit, I respect your military culture before the 70's, but you've became just too arrogant...
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It certainly was wrong to use nuclear weapons on Japan, Pearl Harbor or any other big wrongs don't change that fact. One significance of that particular wrong is that it ushered in a new level of war on man and nature and also the era where it is acceptable (even prudent with these devices) to wage war impersonally, at a distance. This sort of sanitizes war, at least for those equipped for it.
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Whatever is portrayed in those photos or wherever or whenever they were rendered is unimportant, looking at them is going to unsettle and even enrage most anyone. Rage is a common reaction to such sights.. some will turn that rage into denials or self-defense and others into fear or open remorse.. If Americans mean what we say about freedom and opportunity and hope we should be able to transform our rage at what has been done to us and what we have done to others into a determination to never allow sights such as that again.
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Thank you for reading.
They are the Silent Dead,you cannot hear about them,unless you read about them.They were innocent too.Stop the whining about the approx. 600 000 dead Jews,and think of other victims too.
What always happens is rich elites get to decide which poor kids die for what resources they can later plunder, while they sit in soft leather chairs sipping expensive whisky paid for with the hard work of the very civilians who's lives they care so little about, and crassly exploit like so many "human resources," as if they own your very life by accident of your birth behind their imaginary lines.
When you say "they" started it, what you mean is, the Japanese government, a tiny group of men, ordered their soldiers, also a tiny minority of the Japanese population, to bomb Pearl Harbor. You also probably dont know that Roosevelt wanted desperately to be in the war, but American public opinion was widely against it, so he set out to antagonize and provoke the Japanese until they did what he knew they would attack. He knew when and where, too. And he let hem kill all those American sailors just so he could send some poor, dumb farm boys full of bullshit stories about the glory of the red, white and blue, off to die securing American corporate hegemony over the Pacific and eventually western Europe.
When you say "we" finished it, you mean that American bureaucrats decided to drop an unimaginably devastating weapon on a civilian population after they had already received multiple offers of surrender including the exact terms they agreed to after they dropped the bombs, just so they could show off to Stalin about how deadly their new toys were. The story about the "costly invasion" of Japan is an ex post facto cover for this war crime and atrocity.
"We" didn't do it, and "they" didn't start it, and until you stop identifying yourselves with governments and the rich elites who control them, at your expense, you'll never be free, and always a slave to their whims. Eventually, it'll be you and yours at the bottom of one these waterlogged ditches, dead and rotting, dumped in some mass grave, because some bureaucrat deemed you expendable. They don't give a shit about you, all that flag waving patriotism is a dirty lie, it's all about money and power. To guys like McCain and Bush and yes, even Hillary, you're an Iraqi, a gook, a slope, a jap, a wetback or whatever, you're a tool, a means to their ends, and they'd run you down in the street if it meant more for them. These pictures demonstrate exactly what politicians think of innocent human lives.
"29 - by Elli May 4, 2008"The ignorance and arrogance in the so many of the responses above mine are staggering and sickening. I suggest you re-read your history books before spouting blind "rah America" rhetoric." There is no doubt that these are horrific events but to blame America for the worlds ills is shallow and incorrect. And psuedo intellectual who have their mantra of it's americas fault is tiring. I respectfully submit that "evil triumphs when good men do nothing" E. Burke
No one enjoys war or killing (except for the truly sick) but to do nothing you get Rowanda where was the world population while that was going on?"
I'm sure 29 was speaking of the crimes-yes, crimes-committed by Americans in their own country....there are the crimes against Native Americans and also the enslavement of African Americans. How can someone see these pictures and feel GOOD about them??!!! I know the Japanese leaders did aweful things themselves, but how can you be happy about the death of so many innocent people? They are still PEOPLE!! War is an aweful thing, and the only ones to blame are the extremely powerful leaders who put the people in their countries through such terrible things. I always hear people say how evil Hitler was, but I have never heard anybody blame every single German. Yet, here I see all these people lumping all the Japanese together and saying that they got what they deserved. Hypocrites! Americans are no better than anybody else, so get off your pedestal! (and btw, I don't belong to any ethnicity/nationality mentioned here, so I am being objective)
To all the people that are saying "American Pigs", Not all of Americans are as ignorant and trashy as those that most of the time get the spotlight for such pathetic behavior. The same way out of every culture, race, creed, gender whatever you may base it on, there are people who say things, and do things who don't stand for what the rest of the other people believe in. Don't base and judge a culture or a group on certain indivuals otherwise you are no better than the bastards who locked the people in internment camps, concentration camps or started an anti group at all.
Moving foward, what happened was horrific. These posts should be focusing on the deaths of innocent lives and the "reason" (or lack there of) of why it was done.
And i agree with post 139..
edit - remove - report - save 139 - by Syl (ffZeCDnor2) - May 6, 2008
Murder is wrong no matter whom is doing the murdering or where it is occuring. The comments I have read here are disturbing... Arguing semantics for acts fueled by the need for dominance (be it economic/military/religious/etc.) not only proves that the state of the world we currently reside in is truly pathetic but also confirms that there is a very bleak future in store for our children- if there is indeed one to be had for them.
"They are NOT the big powerful government because they killed people"
The US has become a worldwide joke. Focus on some of the problems in your own fucking backyard before you go meddling in someone elses. We DON'T NEED the big strong Americans protecting us from the "bullies of the world". You DO NOT know better than the rest of us. For fucks sake, look at who you elected as president. That's evidence enough that you lot have lost your fucking minds.
Murder and war are never anything to be proud of. And making idiotic comments like "those J*** (I can't even bring myself to type it) got what they deserved" once again shows how mentally deficient you are. Fucking America. You bunch of classless assholes.
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When dealing with rational people, open discussion is certainly preferable. However, not everyone is capable of internalizing a diplomatic interest for a higher good. Hilter was psychopathicone of the many psychological issues with which he wrestled. Reasoning is lost on someone who is incapable of feeling remorse or projecting into the future what the consequences of his actions will be for other people. In essence, Hitler didn't care. He was not capable of empathy. Diplomatic intervention would not have changed his course. All he had the capacity to do was see how his actions would benefit him. Many psychopathic personalities are charismatic. They learn and mimic proper or acceptable behaviors in order to disguise their true desires. A psychopath views people who are compassionate, people who want to use reason to avoid conflict, as weak.
The only way to have stopped Hitler from getting out of control would have been through the use of force. War. And what would have been the world's reaction to the US or any other country using military intervention prior to Germany's invasions of neighboring countries or before knowing about the Holocaust? In retrospect, that would have certainly been a good thing, but at the time, how could stopping Hitler because of something he might do be justified? If the US or another country had stepped in before Hitler reached the zenith of his power, the war would have resulted in the loss of many innocent civilians. The death camps would never have happened. The world would never have known the extent of Hitler's madness. The US or other intervening countries would have been berated for the lost innocent lives and for being an aggressor.
We don't know if or when the US would have become involved in the war if Pearl Harbor hadn't happened. We don't know how much longer the war would have gone on if the bomb hadn't been dropped in Japan. It didn't happen. We can only speculate. Truman didn't need to wait on Pearl Harbor to get involved. All he needed was knowledge of the threat and to have taken the steps to stop it or to respond to the escalating threat Hitler and his allies posed to US allies abroad. Not immediately responding with troops to the reports about the death camps doesn't mean Americans didn't care about 'those other people'. Before calling up troops, proof had to be required. If they had reliable sources, then diplomacy also required passing this knowledge to the European allied forces. Before involving a county in a war, the wise course would be to attempt to help without risking your own people. Whether there were ulterior motives or not, I don't know. However, no matter what the motive, good or ill, there will always be people who will object to whatever is done and second guess what someone else should have done. There's nothing wrong with questioning and we should if we believe wrongs have been committed. But we should also keep in mind that life, even when decisions are made that are not seeded in self-interest, simply does not always work out in a manner that suits everyone. And sometimes, diplomacy or not, it just does not work at all.
Diplomacy only works when the people engaged in talks are able to project into the future, care about others, and see alternatives. Hitler and many other people in the world, past and present, including many religious and political leaders, lack that capacity. However, they can and should be held responsible for choosing how they fulfil their desires. Unfortunately, when dealing with such people, hindsight is always better than foresight.
The pictures are heartbreaking. I'm sorry for every innocent life lost in every war. However, sometimes finite force is necessary. Was it in this instance? I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't know all the details that prompted Truman to make the decision. I don't know whether Japan was sincere about surrender or what their capabilities were at that time. I do know that atrocities have been committed on all sides of all wars. The line where necessity blurs into inhumanity is fluid and it's often difficult to tell where the line will manifest. It's easy to say all war is inhuman, and there's truth to that, but it's also true that it happens and people are left with no recourse other than to defend themselves.
The US has made bad decisions. Countries all over the world have made bad decisions. Politicians make self-serving decisions everyday. Everywhere. Not just in the US. Religious leaders call for actions that serve them, not their god. How do we not get sucked into their madness? Vigilance? Compassion? Diplomacy? It's a tough call. No matter what we do, people who do not have the general population's best interest at heart are still going to get elected, or they'll seize power, or they'll gather a following of the disenfranchised under a religious banner. These leaders are charismatic. They lie. They have self-serving agendas. And we, the ordinary people, have to try to wade through the lies, the truths, and the half-truths. It's not easy.
I wish you well, Kevin. I think your heart is in the right place.
And they always talk about the fakekaust...
Israel is the biggest state of terrorism: USA has to bomb them!
It's my point of view from Hungary.
THX!
Japan im with you! turanians unite!
From 18
The responses here are absolutely disgusting. The US was in no way forced to nuke innocent civilians. Not only was this a horrific act of terrorism by the United States, it was militarily unnecessary.
"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.
"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman.
"Take a good look at your "enemy"... And suffer not one to live. Revel in his destruction for in the end, we will all become the monsters we strove to protect the world from."
This has stuck to my mind... And since that day I have seen our world's current events unfold revealing that not only is there a horrid future in store for everyone But that we run blindly toward it not realizing or caring what is to come. Apparently, we are doomed to repeat history until there is no future left for anyone.
My previous comment:
139 - by Syl (ffZeCDnor2) - May 6, 2008
Murder is wrong no matter whom is doing the murdering or where it is occuring. The comments I have read here are disturbing... Arguing semantics for acts fueled by the need for dominance (be it economic/military/religious/etc.) not only proves that the state of the world we currently reside in is truly pathetic but also confirms that there is a very bleak future in store for our children- if there is indeed one to be had for them.
So sad, that a human being can authorize a massacre like this. USA already won the war (in fact, technically the USSR did, but well...), and they still used the godamned bomb, just to show their power to the world.
Geez. I don't get the point that theres a shitload of people in here that support that, even if they feel so "American" so nationalist. Bullshit. A shit like that is worse than what Hitler did on that time.
Yes, military force and intervention is needed at times but it doesn't make the ground-level realities of war any prettier.
Those pictures are incredibly sad, period. Necessary Evil or not, it doesn't take away from the incredible loss they portray.
Sure, the history is wrote by the winners of wars. When the war finished "Heroes of history" deported all Germans and killed thousands in the process, so where is the real ending in your books? People in that war were better because of that? Yeah, great stuff. Bullshit.
The US was the first and only country in the history of man to drop a nuclear bomb for military purposes. The only difference between american military policies and those of the middle east and north korea is in the clothes you wear. Only in the US could G. W. Bush get re-elected. God save us all from your ignorance.
the USA are not in control of anything, however you want to believe it.
and the comments i've read, jesus how can a human beeing write something like this.
i don't agree with the american international politic. but i won't never be able to write , or even think, that those who died in the twin towers deserved it...
Japan has changed and they are still humans, afterall. They regretted what their ancestors/forefathers/etc has done to the world.
Is that not enough for you?
what's a jab =.=.
to cohabit peacefully on this small planet. Sadly, for those service personnel that go to war, many do not return, but they are soon forgotten and to their masters they are but numbers.
The world is ever changing and mankind needs to change with it and stop fighting each other, which only causes pain, suffering and anguish.
What have we learnt from history? How to build bigger weapons to wipe out the human race!
Those pictures or horrifying. And I think most people here are just ignoring the fact that innocent people died. That's what you see. How dare any of you that say anything negative towards them.
And yes, i realize that mass death happens around the world. Iraq, Israel, Iran, Darfur, America, ...Africa everywhere. I mourn all innocent people who die.
And to the LP fan who posted. Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park's song Kenji on his solo album "Fort Minor - The Rising Tied" And it is an amazing song about his family in Los Angeles who were imprisoned by Americans in Manzanar. Because we were afraid people in this country were going to kill us. We took a course of action that was not necessary, and we ended up hurting and killing more people in our so called "quest for peace."
America acts like the world is a dictatorship, and we are the dictators. It's just simply not the case.
Stop the violence.
You see, you are using a personal computer to make these ignorant, hateful remarks about how glorious it was that we nuked two Japanese cities in WW2. A personal computer. We owe the widespread availability of these PCs to the technological innovations advanced by the Japanese.
To William Mitchell: Your little "I forwarded this post to the FBI" stunt is cowardly and shameful. If you honestly think that poster poses any significant threat to the US, then you are delusional and living in fear. Our brave vets who have fought these bloody wars, did so to ensure that we didn't have to live in fear. We have fought some of the most formidable enemies in our history, and you are afraid of a comment on an obscure website.
Good god.
Also even though I don't feel like I should have to teach you anything here but I am a History major and maybe you should take a look at the truth about what happened and why exactly Japan attacked Hawaii. Maybe you'd get a clearer picture of things.
Some comments here though show that fear and hatred are still alive, and ready to be exploited by demagogues. Let's hope that does not happen again.
The Generals get to sit safe in the officers club while the people pay the price.
For those comfortably numb on their couch potatoes, having TV dinners, and hating everything that doesn't tell you the stupid box the opposite:
STAND UP AND GRAB AT LEAST A BOOK
You won't get enlightened, you won't fin bliss by finishing that book, you'll just make a difference among the rest, which is "you've done something for yourselves, by yourselves, and learnt something new by yourselves"
It's sad to know that there are still narrow-minded fat-clotted brains in the U.S.
It's a great country with lots and lots of great people (as everywhere!), but that "rest" mainly consisting on white/trailer trash, rednecks, TV child’s and mostly people who only believes what the news tell them and don't investigate by themselves... makes a huge difference and a sad picture of yourselves for other nationalities.
Yep, be like the "best", then fuck the rest, get a better role model than politicians and spoiled daddy's children, be one, make the difference.
You don't even get along with people from the north or south your country... at least use some common sense and those who would not be considered by you, someday should be the same ones who would give you a helping hand when you needed the most.
You are masters on shitting where you eating, you should consider eat shit and then talk about the taste of it :-)
is this what its getting to?
Shame on any of you who have no clue what mercy is!
On that day all who died were called home by their Father.
They are through with pain and live with love.
May we all someday have a chance to spend some time with them.
The eventual military outcome of the Pacific war had been effectively sealed since the US took the Marianas in 1944, but the Japanese refused to accept defeat. As Japan's desperation worsened, the ferocity of the fighting intensified. The code of bushido "the way of the warrior" was deeply ingrained. Surrender was dishonorable. Defeated Japanese leaders preferred to take their own lives in the painful
samurai ritual of seppuku. (Hara Kiri).
The Japanese sent a radio message on August 10,(The day after Nagasaki) to the Allied powers, saying in part: "The Japanese Government [is] ready to accept the terms enumerated in the joint declaration which was issued at Potsdam on July 26th, 1945, by the heads of the Governments of the United States, Great Britain, and China, and later subscribed to by the Soviet Government, with the understanding that the said declaration does not comprise any demand which PREJUDICES THE PREROGATIVES OF HIS MAJESTY AS A SOVERIEIGN RULER."
The Allied response August 11 said that the "authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers"
If the japanese had surrendered after the Potsdam Proclamation, the bomb would never been used.
"The jab bastards got just what they deserved. They started the war and we dam well finished it!!"
I just can say about is that's to much sad know that some people can think like this person that said this that I wrote above. War is always bad. It's doesn't matter who started or who finished, What really matter is that ALWAYS POOR THAN DIE. I stay sad always that I read or hear something like that. People without heart.
Terrorism has been the in thing.
Something much more immoral than the old-fashioned War.
An out-of-topic opinion.
Apparently...
Faschismus and Rasssismus in allen Variationen.
What did we learn from the past?
this is the first time i understand how come terrorists like alqaida can grow so much hate. reason must be these ignorant fascist bastards, who can not feel sorry with deaths of tens of thousands of people and produce nonsense as such.
France's most authoritative newspaper has been forced to admit that it was fooled by gruesome photographs, supposedly of the 1945 atomic attack on Hiroshima, which have stirred anti-American sentiment this week.
Le Monde devoted a page to a report on “Hiroshima: What the world never saw” last weekend. It recounted the discovery of “ten pictures hidden for more than 60 years by an American soldier which show for the first time the victims of the bomb dropped on the Japanese city on August 6, 1945”. It emerged however that the pictures, from the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, depicted the aftermath of a 1923 earthquake near Tokyo. They were immediately recognised by experts in Japan and the US.
This was not a chawade. We needed total conentwation. Next time, we'll do it with feeeeering.
And another order of PIE please......
They attacked us and got what they deserved and iran is next MFers!
I like pie!
Tough break, but take a look at how the Japanese treated POW's and the human rights abuses against civilians at Unit 731 and tell me what Americans could look forward to had Japan won the war.
Thank God for the BOMB.
What makes me sad is that I spent almost 5 minutes reading the typographic equivalent of diarrhea of the mouth from the mental midgets in this thread that apparently have enough dexterity to bang on a keyboard like an inbred monkey and I'll never be able to get a second of that time back and you morons will never be any smarter.
To those of you that have an irrational fear hatred or jealousy of Americans and wish upon them the same destruction that you decry: You ignorant hypocrits make me laugh. The more you hate me, the more I laugh. I find your impotence almost arousing. Go away and do not return or I shall taunt you a second time!
Interesting pics. I like how they are just presented on their own. The original site had a preachy 'editorial' with it, instead of letting the images speak on their own.
War is hell, and the Japanese excelled at it. But, the bombs saved lives on both sides and ended the war sooner. I think the fact they were actually used kept their powers in everyones mind - leading to them not being used in war since.
So I hate the fucking japs alot. Go bomb em, rip out their uturus, n' shove a fucking bomb up their ass.
HOO HA!
HOO HAAA!
Then explode all the north americans...
and the jews... and the arabs...
the world will be a much nicer place then. Oh wait, there will be no world at all doh!
To blame an entire population for the abuses perpetrated by a few is wrong.
The women and children didn't do anything. In a perfect world, we would be able to separate out the war-mongers from the pacifists and shoot them to end the war. But this isn't a perfect world and we have very crude tools for sorting war out.
The REAL reason for throwing the bomb, the bomb was untested, this was a great way to see what it would do in a real political war scenario.
Does every picture of a person killed in war have to create an avalance of "America is so great, they deserved it" messages?
Man you guys have become a nation of messed up idiots with guns. I remember a day when America was really the greatest nation of the world.
To be great you have to act like it.
The destruction in Hiroshima was focused on the civilian community there was no military garrison, hardware or personnel. Everything was destroyed, infrastructure, schools, hospitals, anything in range. The wax museum show pictures and life size figures whose skin was dripping off their bodies, mostly young teenagers, grandparents and children who survived the initial blast. These were ordinary people just like anyone’s children or grandparents. I think the one thing that has lasted in my mind more than any other image, is the comments made by visitors who visited the peace park, who just don’t get it. In war no one wins, everyone loses. Our children came to that conclusion after visiting both memorials, it’s too bad our elected officials cannot.
I wasn't around during WWII, and I am not proud of many things that we, as Americans, have done in our past. History is just what it is...HISTORY! We cannot change it, only learn from it. Worry not, I will never celebrate with a bottle of champagne if something tragic were to happen to any non-combatant in your country 63.
bush can really think a bit and although these are words of a girl with 12 years of age are meaningless
A lot of racist people hang around here...It should be full of peacesull messages instead !!!
People are....
ciao,
"Blessed be the Lord my God who teacheth my hands for battle and my fingers for war" (Psalm 143).
war is a part of life, and as ugly as it is, it has gotten you everything you have now. both the bad and the good.
Yo9u make it sound as if (a) god is going to put a stop to war. If thats the case, what is he waiting for? With nothing being done, people need to take matters into their own hands, as always.
quote this quote that. He has had enough time to sort thru things.
I know, you know, your neighbor knows, your God knows how bad and incredibly stupid things are right now. I'm guessing that if he were going to stop war he would have done it by know. We are on our own, and damn it, someone, maybe not us, but someone is gonna win.
Why didnt he just stop it right then and there. No one would have known the difference. Everything could have been roses for all of eternity for one and all dancing thru the garden like the guy on the FTD flower seal. Nahh just put it off for a couple thousand years and kill a crap load of people.
I dont buy that one bit.
Again, we are on our own.
my end of this is now complete.
Because post 285 is now the "Dumbest explanation"
they ran into a bunch of stuff, but no bombs.
Conspiracy knobs want you to think there was bombs. but no bombs.
anyway, i think 289 was sarcassam
USSR had invaded north Japan in july, this the only reason for the bombing: tell Stalin that he wouldn´t take over Japan (it would happen, japs defense were totally in the south).
This is a great movie about the casuality of the war.
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STEP BACK AND READ YOURSELVES. there's something amiss. in us all, displayed here on this page, is the thing which makes us warlike. we quarrel. there are soooo many of us. as a singular unit, a person is a miracle of evolution. As a species, we are a plague. And don't forget it.