dumba**, on the sunlit side of the earth, that close, it's too bright from reflected light to see the stars. You have to be further out than the ISS to see the stars on the dayside. On the nightside, however, the srats would be more than you could see from Earth at night. Amazing photos!
this question of seeing stars from orbit is interesting. the idea of the sunlit earth being too bright doesnt quite make sense. without an atmosphere one light source doesnt necessarily wash out another. does the hubble only take photographs when its on the 'dark side' of the earth? we need a nasa guy to speak up here.
Looks like to me,its another reason to keep it flying until we get the next generation rockets ready to fly,why be stagnant?be agressive,If I was an astronaut,and i had to depend on a communist country for my trip to the space station and back ,Id be very nervous,esp one that is problem plagued,at least keep one in a flight ready condition in case of an emergency.
I think that the reason you don't see any stars in the photo has more to do with the dynamic range of the camera than anything else. The camera is set to expose the photo for the earth and the space station. Being that both are significantly brighter than the stars, the photograph would be taken at an exposure setting that would register the area of sky around the spacecraft as being pure black. This effect is heightened when using digital photography which has a much narrower dynamic range than film.
I seriously hate all you "it's a photoshop" trolls, why don't you f**k off and get some education or at least try to think about what you are saying.
The reason you cannot see stars is because the shutter speed/exposure time has to be very high due to the brightness of the incoming light, it overwhelms the film OR CDD chip in the camera. The star light is not strong enough to be read by the film or the CDD due to the need for a really fast shutter speed approx 1/10,000 or more depending on conditions.
But it doesn't matter because you won't believe me anyway so as before...... f**k you photoshop commentors.
LIES!!those would be really great examples of the intellectual prowess of mankind, were they all not so obviously and offensively FAKED! Did you notice the on the third photograph, the reflection of the man's helmet allows the viewer to see what is actually taking the picture...its a guy in a navy blue onesie for GOD'S SAKE!!and how about the supposed space walker in the 5th picture? READ YOUR BIBLES AND REPENT FOR YOUR SINS!!!! MARTIAL LAW MARTIAL LAW! SAVE US FROM OURSELVES BIG BROTHER!!!
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If these are photoshoped then there must have been an amazing amount of work done to them, almost as impresive as if they were real.
About the stars thing: GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT AND TAKE A PICTURE OF THE SKY. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET A TOTALLY BLACK PICTURE, THAT IS WHY YOU CANT SEE THE STARS ON THESE PICS.
Anonymous wrote:
"Why are there no stars? or anything other than black darkness? Doctored photos? WTF?"
Learn a bit about photography and also Astronomy. Firstly:
Look up the inverse square rule of propagation of light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_square should be a good starting point.
The intensity of light falls off in relation to the square of the distance from the source. In other words, Mars, which is twice as far from the Sun (approx) than the Earth, receives a total light power of , not half but one quarter the amount Earth does. Other than the Sun, the next closest star (Alpha Centauri)_ is 4.2 Light years away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri
Other stars in the local Cluster such as Sirius 12 LY and Barnard's star 6.2 LY spread their light out over a much greater area. The Earth is about 8 or nine light minutes from the sun. Alpha Centauri is four and a bit light years, or put another way 2296872 times as far from us than the Sun. That's about 2.3 million times. Consequently If a star of the same brightness as the Sun was put at this distance it's light would be 1/distance squared. This is about 1 divided by 2 to the 36th power, or o.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo5 as much light on the film plane compared to Solar output. Most stars are a lot further away, so the light from them would be even less.
The scenes seen could be rendered OK with an exposure of say 1/125 sec at F8.0 or F11 with ASA 100 film or equivalent sensor. To see Stars with the same camera, film or digital the an exposure of at least a few minutes if not hours would be needed. As a result the astronaut, shuttle and Earth would be completely washed out if you exposed for the stars.
Pixelation. The image is a JPEG image published on the world wide web. One would expect pixelation.
Lastly, for all the flat Earthers How comes in a lunar eclipse is the shadow of Earth on the Moon's surface always round. If Earth was flat or disc shaped then sometimes the shadow it cast would be rectangular!
It is easier to read one good book than a whole bunch of hard ones.
That anonymous who claims these photos are fake surely has an astounding imagination. He says that the third photo is taken by "a guy in a navy blue onesie"(...). I've tried to see every pixel on the reflection in the astronaut's helmet and I'm unable to find "someone" else taking the picture... Pal, don't smoke that s**t before watching the pictures!
Amazing pics. Its rare you get to see the parts of the the station that are more utility than flash, and its quite a treat to see something other than the module of the day! Any idea what the chemical composition is of the bronze-like metal they are using on a lot of parts? Is that dichromate of some kind or a gold alloy?
Interesting how in all the pics that show two astronauts, they are both pointing the same way. Wonder if that's just coincidence, or if they decide on some arbitrary "up" direction for the mission...
Anyone else think Milander needs to pull a stick out of his\her ass?
Exposure settings prevent stars from showing up. Same problem on the moon, (considering it's a giant white orb that reflections light).
@"Photoshop trolls." Keep on truckin.' making a mockery of every idiot out there who thinks a photograph cannot possibly be real because they know nothing about everything.
@ the 'navy blue onsie' comment... Don't astronauts have navy blue jumpsuits that they wear? You tend to see them wearing them in press releases and such...
The reason why there are no stars is not because earth is too bright to mask them. With no medium to disperse light one light source does not mask another. However, remember that these photos are taken with a camera. when there is a bright object you try to limit the amount of light that passes through the lens (fast shutter speed)since earth is relatively too bright compared to stars at the camera settings that would give you a good picture stars do not excite the photosensitive material (film or ccd)
btw. Everyone who is still curious why they cant see stars in these pics: Can YOU see stars during the day? And, if not, then why? Isnt it just a little too sunny?
I agree with Anon34. It's not a personal insult if some moron wants to say these are pshopped just a reflection of said moron's uselessness to contribute anything other then "this sh*t can't be real man." Good photos, but dunno how you got NZ's South Island from the little land you can see. How can you tell? Can you see hobbits from space? Personally i am sick of Kiwi's claiming everything as their own. Only Americans can do that legally. Plus it's good to see Canadians in space... God knows they are used to the cold.
To Anonymous 35 - why don't you check out a map of New Zealand, compare it to the second photo and you will plainly see the bottom of the North Island with NZ's capital city Wellington as well as the top of South Island including Queen Charlotte Sound, Golden Bay, Nelson, Picton, Blenheim and south as far as Christchurch!!
The pictures are just AWESOME, no matter if they're fake or real. And I adore Canada, the more of Canada the better! And the person who likes to f*** cucumbers, I presume you peel them before use, 'cause they're prickly. And also, I hope you don't eat them after. And if I were an astronaut, I would definitely take my camera with me to take some pictures (if its allowed). And if I do become an astronaut, I'll post them here just to here you all say they're fake. Good bye.
1.) these pics are amazing
2.) they are real
3.) not only can the stars not be seen because of the sun, does anyone know how far away the nearest star is to our planet, besides the sun. if we can travel 30000 miles a second, it would still take us 570 years(i believe this is what i just learned). besides the fact the majority of them are extremely dim. right now in the US east coast, jupiter and vensus are the 2 brightest stars in the sky. take that in to account when you talk about not being able to see them.
The photos are so clear because of the lack of atmosphere,dust, and general junk flying around in our air.
Oh! Astronauts have reported many UFO's while out there, it's just suppressed like all the other information the government is afraid to tell us fearing that God fearing people will find out there is no God as you believe in him to fear. A creator and the living universe is responsible for what you see in these pictures. You're brainwashed and loving it, see ya at Sunday school!!! LOL
Milandar is CORRECT! In Direct sight of the sun's intense light you can neither see or take pictures of the stars. Think about it (If you can) If you could see and take pictures of stars while in direct sight of the Sun.... then why can't we see and take pictures of stars from earth on a sunny day! Think I learned this in grade one!
Anonymous 43
he Alpha Centauri system consists of three stars orbiting each other. Alpha Centauri A and B are sunlike stars standing close by. Sometimes Alpha Centauri A is closest, and sometimes it is Proxima Centauri. At the moment its Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf orbiting Alpha Cantauri A and B. Its about 5% nearer to the sun than Alpha Centauri A. The distance sun Alpha Centauri is about 4.3 - 4.5 ly.
For 24: the bronze-color metal (pic 3) is actually a gold foil that is the outer layer of a multi-layer insulation blanket. The other bronzeish color metal (pics 5-8) is anodized aluminum. Nearly everything metal on the ISS and shuttle is aluminum to save weight.
Congrulations 52...you have just proved you are human. We have an amazing ability (handicap?) to see patterns and will create a familiar pattern in things where no "real" pattern exists. e.g., Jesus toast, Mars face, etc etc, ad nauseum
Just to say, I think there needs to be the people that say "This is a photoshop" because then you don't automatically assume every picture is real and you actually have to go back and question it, I've seen pictures where everyone believes it's real and then someone says it's a photoshop and half the people go, oh wait you're right.
The lighting is so damn perfect, they MUST have taken an austronaut photographer up there as well. Either that, or these pics are bullshit... Sorry poster, but give me some imperfection in these shots, and it might have passed as resembling reality...
are you guys kidding yourself? these pictures are so unbelievable because non of you photoshop gurus have been to space! How do you know what it really looks like? I would like to see you render out one of these scenes! It would not even come close to these awe inspiring images. respect
STS-118: Endeavour's
Yea they faked the whole mission
just like you guys are fake graphic designers
get some knowledge before you make ridiculous claims and embarrass yourself!
haha i cant believe how ignorant some ppl are. why is it so hard to believe that these could be real? and why do u need confirmation from nasa? how about the thousands of ppl with astrophysics degrees (like myself)? ITS REAL, get over urselves and get a sodding education!!!
Hey, Everybody who still thinks these are shopped, please remember that there is no atmospheric perspective in space as there is no atmosphere. You will never see the same conventions of photography in this environment and therefore it can lead to a slightly "unreal" look to the pictures and a difficulty in establishing scale. Trust me, there's no reason to fake something that is so obviously real.
I think it was Buzz Aldrin from the Apollo 11 mooon mission that said something like, "people saw me climb on board a rocket. They saw it take off, and i am sure i went somewhere."
I suppose the non-beleivers don't have satellite tv.
The third photo looks like it's just a miniature. Otherwise I could have been fooled but that one just... doesn't look like a human-sized space shuttle/station/whatever.
Did any of the people who think the photos are all fake, realize that hundreds of us with our own telescopes can actually see the space station? For as little as $250 from Amazon, you can go buy a telescope and see for yourself the space station is not a fake.
the pics are wonderful.
many posts are in poor taste. it's disturbing to see that there are many without self respect, it is seen by those that have the worse linguistics. Ignore the headbangers people! there is a principle : if you ignore it, It will go away.
to poster 62 and 64 : thumbs up!
Thanks,
an Astronaut
To all you 'photoshop idiots':
1. No atmosphere, therefore no dust etc to blur the pics.
2. Fast shutter speed due to light reflected from the Earth.
3. No stars (see no.2)
4. No lossy JPEG compression therefore no artifacts.
5. It's NASA, stupid, therefore no crappy Walmart/Tesco camera.
If you really believe think they are fake, then you probably also think the Earth is flat and that marrying your sister is ok.
I have a stupid question. On picture 3 where the background is pitch black sky, then how could they get the nice clear picture, if it's pitch black out. They must have a good flash!
would someone explain the relativity of night and day in space, and if or when it turns night up ther or the Space shuttle, can one see stars then? Honestly, I admit I'm stupid and am asking an intelligent question. Please, someone give me a beleveable, beyond reasonable doubt, an answer.
Thankyou
when u look at anything bright ur iris closes to protect the retna and only allow a safe amount of light in, the same is with cameras, when there is no earth blocking the sun(day) there is extreme brightness in space, there is no atmoshpere to refract and disperse the light(blue sky) so therefore the astronauts wear those "gold" vizors, and like an eyes iris set the cameras aperature very low so that the picture isnt so bright that you cant clearly see the astronauts
that is why you cannot see the stars in the background, the aperture is set very low and in comparison to our sun they are very feint, its surprising that in a country like the US with so much knowledge available that people are this ignorant
If they were real wouldn't they be posted on NASA's website? I looked at their photos and couldn't find any of the "in space" photos. Just wondering.......
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92 Sceptical - Why do you people never do the simplest research for yourselves before you post your questions??? Within about thirty seconds of reading your comment I found the following image and many more like it. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-125/hires/s125e009688.jpg
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Jul 19, 2009
23 tele13 - Do none of you have any sense of humour? (OK humor if you Yanks prefer it that way). Anon20 was taking the p**s to wind you all up - and succeeded perfectly. (Anon34 is dead right) You really should stop and think for a few seconds before sounding off. However, I do entirely agree with you in general about the Photoshop brigade, just not in this case.
Maybe im being abit thick and dumb by asking this, but why can you not see any land or any countries on the pictures with earth. All you can see is blue.
Why do they think they would fake these and leave out the stars when they know idiots like the people who shout these things are fake are going to be expecting stars.
Just think about that for a second, and you might realize what an idiot you've been.
@97: The Earth is mostly covered in ocean. They are probably above the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. I'm not sure what orbit the ISS takes. I'd assume they'd keep it over open water for safety and political reasons.
comments:
i love the picture of the south island (new zealand)
Flat earth society, smart ass.
this is obviously all staged
yes, yes it is. i would imagine it's particularly difficult to get candid photos in space.
:p
Actually, this is pretty cool, and while one can argue that these are faked, it does little other than make one look like an idiot.
The reason you cannot see stars is because the shutter speed/exposure time has to be very high due to the brightness of the incoming light, it overwhelms the film OR CDD chip in the camera. The star light is not strong enough to be read by the film or the CDD due to the need for a really fast shutter speed approx 1/10,000 or more depending on conditions.
But it doesn't matter because you won't believe me anyway so as before...... f**k you photoshop commentors.
About the stars thing: GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT AND TAKE A PICTURE OF THE SKY. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET A TOTALLY BLACK PICTURE, THAT IS WHY YOU CANT SEE THE STARS ON THESE PICS.
"Why are there no stars? or anything other than black darkness? Doctored photos? WTF?"
Learn a bit about photography and also Astronomy. Firstly:
Look up the inverse square rule of propagation of light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_square should be a good starting point.
The intensity of light falls off in relation to the square of the distance from the source. In other words, Mars, which is twice as far from the Sun (approx) than the Earth, receives a total light power of , not half but one quarter the amount Earth does. Other than the Sun, the next closest star (Alpha Centauri)_ is 4.2 Light years away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri
Other stars in the local Cluster such as Sirius 12 LY and Barnard's star 6.2 LY spread their light out over a much greater area. The Earth is about 8 or nine light minutes from the sun. Alpha Centauri is four and a bit light years, or put another way 2296872 times as far from us than the Sun. That's about 2.3 million times. Consequently If a star of the same brightness as the Sun was put at this distance it's light would be 1/distance squared. This is about 1 divided by 2 to the 36th power, or o.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo5 as much light on the film plane compared to Solar output. Most stars are a lot further away, so the light from them would be even less.
The scenes seen could be rendered OK with an exposure of say 1/125 sec at F8.0 or F11 with ASA 100 film or equivalent sensor. To see Stars with the same camera, film or digital the an exposure of at least a few minutes if not hours would be needed. As a result the astronaut, shuttle and Earth would be completely washed out if you exposed for the stars.
Pixelation. The image is a JPEG image published on the world wide web. One would expect pixelation.
Lastly, for all the flat Earthers How comes in a lunar eclipse is the shadow of Earth on the Moon's surface always round. If Earth was flat or disc shaped then sometimes the shadow it cast would be rectangular!
It is easier to read one good book than a whole bunch of hard ones.
Exposure settings prevent stars from showing up. Same problem on the moon, (considering it's a giant white orb that reflections light).
@"Photoshop trolls." Keep on truckin.' making a mockery of every idiot out there who thinks a photograph cannot possibly be real because they know nothing about everything.
btw. Everyone who is still curious why they cant see stars in these pics: Can YOU see stars during the day? And, if not, then why? Isnt it just a little too sunny?
The metal they use is trinium
Funny fooker!!
LOL Stargate techie eh???
2.) they are real
3.) not only can the stars not be seen because of the sun, does anyone know how far away the nearest star is to our planet, besides the sun. if we can travel 30000 miles a second, it would still take us 570 years(i believe this is what i just learned). besides the fact the majority of them are extremely dim. right now in the US east coast, jupiter and vensus are the 2 brightest stars in the sky. take that in to account when you talk about not being able to see them.
Get yourself an education before making such ridiculous comments.
Oh! Astronauts have reported many UFO's while out there, it's just suppressed like all the other information the government is afraid to tell us fearing that God fearing people will find out there is no God as you believe in him to fear. A creator and the living universe is responsible for what you see in these pictures. You're brainwashed and loving it, see ya at Sunday school!!! LOL
he Alpha Centauri system consists of three stars orbiting each other. Alpha Centauri A and B are sunlike stars standing close by. Sometimes Alpha Centauri A is closest, and sometimes it is Proxima Centauri. At the moment its Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf orbiting Alpha Cantauri A and B. Its about 5% nearer to the sun than Alpha Centauri A. The distance sun Alpha Centauri is about 4.3 - 4.5 ly.
Yea they faked the whole mission
just like you guys are fake graphic designers
get some knowledge before you make ridiculous claims and embarrass yourself!
http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/118_gallery/index_noaccess.html
I suppose the non-beleivers don't have satellite tv.
many posts are in poor taste. it's disturbing to see that there are many without self respect, it is seen by those that have the worse linguistics. Ignore the headbangers people! there is a principle : if you ignore it, It will go away.
to poster 62 and 64 : thumbs up!
Thanks,
an Astronaut
1. No atmosphere, therefore no dust etc to blur the pics.
2. Fast shutter speed due to light reflected from the Earth.
3. No stars (see no.2)
4. No lossy JPEG compression therefore no artifacts.
5. It's NASA, stupid, therefore no crappy Walmart/Tesco camera.
If you really believe think they are fake, then you probably also think the Earth is flat and that marrying your sister is ok.
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Just think about that for a second, and you might realize what an idiot you've been.
@97: The Earth is mostly covered in ocean. They are probably above the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. I'm not sure what orbit the ISS takes. I'd assume they'd keep it over open water for safety and political reasons.